The following segment is transcribed from the July 3rd 1998
edition of Jeff Rense's 'Sightings' radio show, in which Budd
Hopkins was interviewed, via phone, from Roswell, New Mexico.
BH: ..... I wanted to talk about some recent cases that I've
I've just begun to look into and these have been investigated
very thoroughly. What they would indicate is that the UFO
occupants have been getting even a little sloppier. Unless
they're deliberately wanting us to see things.
BH: In the case that you mentioned earlier, the 'Witness' case,
we felt that the fact that people saw the abduction taking place
seemed to be a deliberate act on the part of the UFO occupants.
JR: I remember you making that point....
BH: That seems to be the case. But now I've got several cases
where we have witnesses who, at least part of the abduction, who
seem to have just seen it by accident. As if the aliens aren't
turning on the machine/box/memory or insight or whatever.
Just as an example; a woman was with her boyfriend in their
apartment Queens [New York] and she woke up in the middle of the
night (she remembered this the next morning) and saw people
standing on the roof. She saw these grey legs and immediately
the thought went into her mind, probably from the outside, not
to worry, even though it was three o'clock in the morning, it
must be people cleaning the leaves out of the gutter on the roof.
JR: Yes, of course.....
BH: So, she doesn't remember much more except that she seemed to be very frightened when she woke up, as if certain other things
had happened she wasn't clear about. The long and short of this
is that a couple of weeks later the man who lived across the
street, a retired science teacher, said to her that he wanted to
know what she and her friends were doing out on the roof at
three in the morning.
We know from looking into this more thoroughly, in terms of the
young man she was with and his recollections and hypnotic
regressions and so forth, that she was abducted. Here we have an
independent witness, unconnected with anybody, who saw the
aliens on the roof. I haven't had a chance to interview him yet,
but this is his story.
I have a similar case now in Ohio, Baria, [sp?] Ohio, where the
woman who woke up in the morning feeling that something had
happened to her the night before - very dim memories - went
outside and the next door neighbour said "What were all those
lights over your house last night? Who were those people in
uniform in the back were they police or what were they?" And of
course there were no police and there was no explanation for
the lights. But, the neighbour was quite agitated about this.
So, I have yet a third case near Altoona, Pennsylvania, that's
also quite similar, I don't really have time to go into it, but
I'm pointing these cases out to suggest there's a sort of
momentum to this. And the formally very covert style of
operation of the UFO occupants seems to be moving very slowly to
a sort of 'devil may care' carelessness.
JR: Ah, this is very interesting - this is a very, very strange
trend, to say the least.....
BH: It is and I think it is a trend. I think that that's the
correct word that you just used. There is something that seems
to be happening more and more often, where mistakes are made and
it's getting sloppier and perhaps.....
JR: If their protocols are breaking down Budd, what.....we can
only speculate, but it brings to mind right away the concept
that maybe they have done most of what they need done, and the
big change is about to happen and things are getting lax.
BH: That's a very valid interpretation. We really don't know
what to make, in an absolute way, of this. You know, very often
during interviews like this, I'm asked questions that make me
wish that we only had an alien here to answer them instead of me.
BH: But I do feel that it does constitute a trend. There are so
many people here now who seem to be remembering more of their
experiences as they happened, as if the enforced amnesia isn't
as frequently enforced as it used to be or as successfully
So, I don't know what this means, but it's rather portentous I
JR: Yeah, I would be interested to hear..... have you discussed
this with David Jacobs?
BH: Yeah. Well he's getting the same kind of thing. I think that it's.....
JR: Oh Really!?
BH: .....generally being noted by other researchers in the
field. It just isn't something that's coming my way.
JR: You know, now that you mention it gels over here on this
end..... because I've heard that now fit that bill and I didn't
even stop to think that it might be something that might be
unique, but there are more graphic remembrances. Bizarre
multiple-witnesses to things that we wouldn't have heard about a
couple of years ago.....
JR: Very interesting!
July 5, 1998